Curse

Yoshikuni Mahsu · May 25, 2008, 10:11 PM // 22:11

For the most part id have to say inappropriate names are a justified ban. There was an arguement, however, id have to agree with.

Anet makes a game with 80% naked female characters and yet ban's names hinting at sexual influence, seems hypocritical to me. If Anet doesn't want people making "thunder titz" then dont make Ele's with gigantuanormousness "attributes" hanging out all over the place.

"Its ok, its our game, and since sex sells, we can put sexual influences in the game, just dont follow our example, the players have to keep it clean."

P.S. Im not saying "cover up all female characters!" God no, leave the tits be! Just dont be such hypocrites.

tooburns · May 25, 2008, 10:18 PM // 22:18

Meth Man and i get banned for 72hrs and my friend Milf Asss get a 72hrs to

Glib · May 26, 2008, 01:24 AM // 01:24

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And up to here, I thought you were addressing the whiny snots that lack maturity to accept their name is obviously inappropriate. It is my personal opinion that this system keeps the names of the player base relatively sane.

I'm not disputing that there are a number of names that are obviously over the top, and they should go...but some of the stuff getting banned is SO mild that it would play on daytime TV and the FCC (not a wholy reasonable institution) would let it go. I

t takes a report for a ban. Who makes the reports? People who probably go to rated R movies, stay for the whole thing, the bitch that they want their money back because there were too many "F-words" Read the goddam rating!!! It's other players causing the problem-thinking T for teen means E for everyone-it's bullshit! Folks can argue all they want that ANet is banning for names, but it isn't them,it's players reporting for things, that by rating, are appropriate to the game.

READ THIS:

TEEN
Titles rated T (Teen) have content that may be suitable for ages 13 and older. Titles in this category may contain violence, suggestive themes, crude humor, minimal blood, simulated gambling, and/or infrequent use of strong language.

The phrase "big boobs" may be tasteless, but it is not considered "strong language", even though it is sexist. The FCC allows it, ratings for television broadcasting and ESRB say it is generally acceptable, yet one person says "oh, my goodness, gracious me! I find it offensive in the context of a game where this is to be expected and have the power to /report so I will exert said power at every available opportunity with impunity for any other player that says/does anything I find bothersome."

Just another freaking example of the whiny minority exerting power over the common majority and infringing on our rights to express ourselves -dammit, it's like the kid in school "excuse me teacher, but Billy said 'poop', do you think the class should get to go to recess because Billy was bad? I think we should all stay in and color!" I hated that kid then, and I hate him now.

And YES...there are some outrageously innappropriate names. But banning someone for 3 days because they had the poor taste to name a character Beeg Bewbs McGee is just outright stupid. Just like the FCC not coming out and saying what is and is not acceptable and then busting people for things they decide they don't like.

How about a list SPECIFICALLY stating what is not acceptable instead of hiding behind the "whatever we decide" clause. Jus say it. You can't mention rectum, breast, penis, vagina, rape, fornication, defication, any religious affiliation or the dieties thereof, acts of abuse and all slang and euphemistic terms relating to or describing these terms as character names.

Eliminate the fuzziness of it...otherwise, perfectly good names of REAL people may end up banned because some whinypuss had to gripe. John Hancock, John Thomas, Thomas Crapper, Phil McKraken, Peter Dragon, Rhonda Banghart, Melissa Flockhardt, David Swallows, Barb Wilcock...and oh, so many more, are real people whose names can easily be deemed inapropriate if one person gripes about it...as it is, not one Richard can go as Dick, though they may in real life.

See Dick play.
See Dick see name "Three Hump Camel"
See Dick get offended.
See Dick /report.

Don't be a Dick.

Mac Sidewinder · May 26, 2008, 02:03 AM // 02:03

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Originally Posted by Glib

That's just silly...everyone knows that speeding is a crime, yet everyone does it and it's fine, unless you get caught. Getting caught is the only thing that makes immoral and unethical behavior wrong

. It's the foundation of our entire society: Here are the laws based on ten commandments, don't get caught. If you do get caught, scream and yell and holler loud about how unfair it is - too bad...but throw a little money at it and everything is fine: from the Church to O.J..

As for the whole name thing...there it a grey area as to what constitutes "inappropriate". Many of us feel the names should be allowed under the T rating, others feel that "sole discretion" of ANet means they can do what they like regarding the bans...and they can. The problem lies with the whiny snots that are offended by things that are within the rating and report it. To keep them happy ANet uses their "sole discretion" unilaterally to wipe any name some bitchy puritanical zealot deems a little too naughty...My opinion: just another way for someone to grief other players because someone pissed in their oatmeal.

First of all - getting caught doesn't make the act any more or less immoral, unethical, wrong or illegal. It was either immoral, unethical, wrong or illegal in the first place. This is just your way of justifying your behavior. Neither the Ten Commandments nor Anet state that you can do anything you want BUT "don't get caught." As a matter of fact they both say "Thou shall not" in one way or another, period.

This is a type of MMO. This means that people interact with one another. If you want to play a single player rpg and name your character "Tussy Pickler" (real name, I saw it a couple days ago) then go right ahead and nobody will stop you. But when you play online you have to both play by the rules of the creator of the game, and also by common sense. If you purposely try to get around the name filter or select an inappropriate name then you will get caught and reported eventually.

When you get caught, its not the reporters fault, it's yours for making the name up in the first place. You probably knew it was pushing (or probably over) the line in the first place, and I have no sympathy for you.

Now with all that wall of text I have to say that I don't make it a habit of looking for names to report BUT if I notice one that I think really steps over the line then I have no problem using the report function.

Bottom line - if you want to keep your name use common sense.

Glib · May 26, 2008, 03:32 AM // 03:32

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Originally Posted by Mac Sidewinder

First of all - getting caught doesn't make the act any more or less immoral, unethical, wrong or illegal. It was either immoral, unethical, wrong or illegal in the first place. This is just your way of justifying your behavior. Neither the Ten Commandments nor Anet state that you can do anything you want BUT "don't get caught." As a matter of fact they both say "Thou shall not" in one way or another, period.

The "winky-face" was inserted to denote a tone of sarcasm...sorry I wasn't more clear.

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This is a type of MMO. This means that people interact with one another. If you want to play a single player rpg and name your character "Tussy Pickler" (real name, I saw it a couple days ago) then go right ahead and nobody will stop you. But when you play online you have to both play by the rules of the creator of the game, and also by common sense. If you purposely try to get around the name filter or select an inappropriate name then you will get caught and reported eventually.

Who gets to decide what is inappropriate? You? Of course, you...but if you can expect it given the games rating, why gripe?

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When you get caught, its not the reporters fault, it's yours for making the name up in the first place. You probably knew it was pushing (or probably over) the line in the first place, and I have no sympathy for you.

I wouldn't expect sympathy, I've never been banned. Why? I've always picked interesting, creative names without any questionable material...I just like a fair argument. In this case, I'm not offended by names like Pink Pickle...13 year olds have the right to play, and the right to give their characters stupid names as long as they don't become OBVIOUSLY past the rating of the game.

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Now with all that wall of text I have to say that I don't make it a habit of looking for names to report BUT if I notice one that I think really steps over the line then I have no problem using the report function.

Good...you should.

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Bottom line - if you want to keep your name use common sense.

Here in lies the rub: Anyone who understands ESRB ratings might presume to think that common sense would be to allow names that meet the requirements of the T rating. When a person /reports names that fit the rating and then those names get banned, THERE is where "common sense" should dictate that the name stays and the /reporter has to just suck it up and realize that the game is rated T and therefor they can expect some vulgarity.

thedarkmarine · May 26, 2008, 03:49 AM // 03:49

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Originally Posted by Glib

...It takes a report for a ban....

Yeah, this statement is the foundation for your post, and I see no grounds supporting it. AFAIK, it takes a report to suggest a ban, and it goes both ways, as the disclaimer at the bottom of the report window states. At the end of the day, it is ANet that has the final word, so it is fair for people to argue about ANet's decision.

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The phrase "big boobs" may be tasteless, but it is not considered "strong language", even though it is sexist. The FCC allows it, ratings for television broadcasting and ESRB say it is generally acceptable, yet one person says "oh, my goodness, gracious me! I find it offensive in the context of a game where this is to be expected and have the power to /report so I will exert said power at every available opportunity with impunity for any other player that says/does anything I find bothersome."

Change "big boobs" to "ash whole" and your post still stands perfectly fine. Frankly, words belong in context, and such language may be ok for silly jokes, but is just inappropriate for a character name. Focker is a valid German surname, but it will be controlled if it is not used within good context.

God also forbid someone have an opinion on crude language that doesn't match yours. I find it offensive that you think their opinion on a gray matter should be quashed before they have a chance to speak.

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Just another freaking example of the whiny minority exerting power over the common majority and infringing on our rights to express ourselves

Yeah, I think the minority is actually the immature kiddies that want every opportunity to express themselves, even when it's inappropriate. Any statement like the above could be equally valid when turned around.

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-dammit, it's like the kid in school "excuse me teacher, but Billy said 'poop', do you think the class should get to go to recess because Billy was bad? I think we should all stay in and color!" I hated that kid then, and I hate him now.

Yeah, but the kid does not have the final word on the matter, and frankly, the minority does not have control of the situation; they exert no power at all.

On a related note, I also hated the kid that tries to get around every single rule by loopholes just to get attention.

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And YES...there are some outrageously innappropriate names. But banning someone for 3 days because they had the poor taste to name a character Beeg Bewbs McGee is just outright stupid. Just like the FCC not coming out and saying what is and is not acceptable and then busting people for things they decide they don't like."

How about a list SPECIFICALLY stating what is not acceptable instead of hiding behind the "whatever we decide" clause. Jus say it. You can't mention rectum, breast, penis, vagina, rape, fornication, defication, any religious affiliation or the dieties thereof, acts of abuse and all slang and euphemistic terms relating to or describing these terms as character names.

It is impossible to create a rule semantics, other than "don't be inappropriate;" controlling semantics through syntax doesn't work. You can outlaw every swear word, but then you can't touch people that use "Fcuk You." What ends up happening is growing the dictionary of words and you end up blocking more things then intended; fuzzy would end up being better.

ANet: /temp ban Fcuk You.
Fcuk You: I'm just trying to promote a fragrance!
ANet: Oh, crap...ok, we'll let you off.
/register_account Ash Fcuk...etc

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Originally Posted by Glib

Who gets to decide what is inappropriate? You? Of course, you...but if you can expect it given the games rating, why gripe?

Just to nail it home again, players do not decide. Players ask ANet to look into, and ANet then decides. The command is "/report," not "/ban."

Glib · May 26, 2008, 04:30 AM // 04:30

Ok...ANet gets the final word, but what it amounts to is someone had to "tattle" or ANet would have never known about the name, considered it, then banned it. And I keep saying, but no one seems to read it, that I agree that words/names that obviously cross the line should be banned, BUT if it fits the rating of the game, it should be allowed.

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God also forbid someone have an opinion on crude language that doesn't match yours. I find it offensive that you think their opinion on a gray matter should be quashed before they have a chance to speak.

I spend all day quashing inappropriate language, I'm a teacher. I have a set of clearly defined rules that allow me to say specifically what is and is NOT allowed. I think I have a reasonable grasp of what is acceptable in a rated T game and would never tell people they are not allowed to express their opinions (even when I disagree with them). My arguement still stands...justify for me how people can "tattle" and ANet can ban, in good conscience, people who have characters that have names that fit within the parameters of a T rating.

As for opinions on grey matter...I think far to few people are seriously using theirs.

As for Fcuk, it should be banned for copyright infringement.

Mac Sidewinder · May 26, 2008, 04:54 AM // 04:54

Well Glib I'm glad you've never been banned (neither have I). And it looks like we both try to make interesting names. But it looks like your whole argument comes down to this then. Maybe Anet needs to change the rating? Of course then there's the problem. If they did that then some of their revenue would go as well.

On a side note - I don't consider it "tattling" if you report someone for inappropriate behavior. You make it sound like everybody is a little kid that plays this game.

And yes I agree with you in that "far to few people are seriously using their" gray matter, especially the ones that make up these kind of names.

Personette · May 26, 2008, 04:54 AM // 04:54

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Originally Posted by thedarkmarine

Change "big boobs" to "ash whole" and your post still stands perfectly fine. Frankly, words belong in context, and such language may be ok for silly jokes, but is just inappropriate for a character name. Focker is a valid German surname, but it will be controlled if it is not used within good context.

You're just tossing a softball right at Glib with this one.

Don't you remember the movie Meet the Fockers? A PG-13 rated movie (i.e., considered appropriate for young teenagers) that dwelled at great length on the homonym Focker? There was no context - it was just an opportunity to say Focker over and over again without getting in trouble. That was the whole joke.

You're talking about an "opinion" on crude language, when Glib's point is that all individual opinions are secondary to the specific guidelines set by the rating.

As he pointed out, and as remains absolutely true, idiotic body humor remains the bread and butter of PG-13 media. It is the standard, not a deviation from it.

Zahr Dalsk · May 26, 2008, 05:01 AM // 05:01

Somebody try "Cluck My Sock" please.

thedarkmarine · May 26, 2008, 05:17 AM // 05:17

Wait, so you'd ban Fcuk for copyright infringement, but not for coarse language? Then how about "Like Your Asp Whole?" Just preferring snakes that are not sliced up, right?

If you really want to argue it, then assuming a character has uses strong language for their user name. Guess what, he's got frequent use of strong language in his T game. Additionally, if ANet does allow strong language for character names that would be ok infrequently, then how would they enforce the infrequent aspect? By only forcing a name change once for every 5 users that violates?

The T rating also says it "may" contain. It does not have to, and ANet can see to it that it does not if they want. An R rated movie can contain gore, but the director can choose not to have gore in it. It is their product, they call the shots.

Additionally, I don't actually anything about language in GW's ratings. Might want to actually use the search on the ESRB site.

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Don't you remember the movie Meet the Fockers? A PG-13 rated movie (i.e., considered appropriate for young teenagers) that dwelled at great length on the homonym Focker? There was no context - it was just an opportunity to say Focker over and over again without getting in trouble. That was the whole joke.

Ha, thanks for falling for the Focker's reference: The MPAA would not allow the movie to use the title unless they found a family with the name "Focker" [citation].

Ju-On · May 26, 2008, 05:33 AM // 05:33

Yep. I got a bunch of bannable names ATM, but they're in Japanese so no ban for me ^^

RedStar · May 26, 2008, 06:19 AM // 06:19

Ju-On is smart.
If you don't want to be ban, don't create a character with an English name xD.

Personette · May 26, 2008, 06:50 AM // 06:50

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Wait, so you'd ban Fcuk for copyright infringement, but not for coarse language? Then how about "Like Your Asp Whole?" Just preferring snakes that are not sliced up, right?

Huh? FCUK = French Connection, it is a trademark. That's a legal matter. Asp Whole is just potty humor, again.

What he is saying is, "I find legal arguments compelling. Such as trademark infringement and official age-appropriate guidelines for teens."

It's not a semantic argument that he's making.

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If you really want to argue it, then assuming a character has uses strong language for their user name. Guess what, he's got frequent use of strong language in his T game. Additionally, if ANet does allow strong language for character names that would be ok infrequently, then how would they enforce the infrequent aspect? By only forcing a name change once for every 5 users that violates?

Most people don't want to tag themselves with a ridiculous name. The problem takes care of itself.

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The T rating also says it "may" contain. It does not have to, and ANet can see to it that it does not if they want. An R rated movie can contain gore, but the director can choose not to have gore in it. It is their product, they call the shots.

The rating doesn't denote what MAY be. It indicates what IS.

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Ha, thanks for falling for the Focker's reference: The MPAA would not allow the movie to use the title unless they found a family with the name "Focker" [citation].

Uh...what did I fall for? I don't get it at all. You said that stupid bodily humor jokes need to have a context. You brought up a movie that hangs on stupid bodily humor and entirely lacks context. What's the conclusion here? Some behind the scenes events that the average viewer remains totally unaware of impact the humor of the film how?

Gattsu05 · May 26, 2008, 07:07 AM // 07:07

Can't say I've ever had any names worth reporting and for those that were banned it makes me happy to see Anet doing it's job. It's funny because I remember reporting a great deal of the people mentioned here.

But for those saying that Anet is infringing upon their expressive rights to name their characters I think they need to go back and reread the End License User Agreement and Code of Conduct. Anet is not a democracy it is a dictatorship that you signed on to when you agreed to their terms.

To all of you complaining about the "integrity" of the game (large breasts, alcohol consumption, etc.), how do you think it would be if they let all the names like Dildo Wielder and Beeg Bewbs Mcgee stay in the game?

thedarkmarine · May 26, 2008, 07:15 AM // 07:15

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Huh? FCUK = French Connection, it is a trademark. That's a legal matter. Asp Whole is just potty humor, again.

Yes, and their entire marketing campaign a silly joke to sidestep the use of fcuk instead of f*** for shock. Frankly, it's a loophole tactic, much like many of the immature kids that are whining. I understand the trademark argument, but my focus is on the inappropriateness of the name.

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The rating doesn't denote what MAY be. It indicates what IS.

And if you actually checked ESRB's site for GW's teen rating, it indicates nothing about inappropriate language. Alcohol, violence, but not language.

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Uh...what did I fall for? I don't get it at all. You said that stupid bodily humor jokes need to have a context. You brought up a movie that hangs on stupid bodily humor and entirely lacks context. What's the conclusion here? Some behind the scenes events that the average viewer remains totally unaware of impact the humor of the film how?

The point was the word "Focker" could not be used freely in the title without a good reason; If the movie did not have a family named "Focker," then the MPAA wouldn't have allowed that word in the title.

Glib · May 26, 2008, 07:20 AM // 07:20

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Originally Posted by thedarkmarine

Wait, so you'd ban Fcuk for copyright infringement, but not for coarse language? Then how about "Like Your Asp Whole?" Just preferring snakes that are not sliced up, right?

I see Fcuk signs in the department store...and yes, copyright/trademark infringement is in the EULA. As for the Asp Whole...if we were allowed punctuation and could use a question mark, then no problem, but without punctuation it becomes and understood statement that the implied "you" enjoys venomous snake whole...the only thing I find offensive is the suggestion that I would not clean, dress and saute such a meal in butter...I'm sure it tastes similar to rattlesnake, which I do, in fact, enjoy...but not whole.

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If you really want to argue it, then assuming a character has uses strong language for their user name. Guess what, he's got frequent use of strong language in his T game. Additionally, if ANet does allow strong language for character names that would be ok infrequently, then how would they enforce the infrequent aspect? By only forcing a name change once for every 5 users that violates?

As Iv'e said on neumerous occasions, strong language SHOULD be banned in character names...I just don't think Spoonerisms and suggestive language equates to "strong" language: harmless hijinx, nothing more. Racism, the actual "F" word, shit, rape and abuse references (especially as directed towards women and children) and language disparaging any religion...that, to me is the core of what we might all agree on as inappropriate (I'm sure there are more examples). Names like Three Hump Camel, Spunky Monkey, Lord of Wiz, Pees In A Pod, Claude Balls and the like are the kinds of names I think should be left the hell alone.

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The T rating also says it "may" contain. It does not have to, and ANet can see to it that it does not if they want. An R rated movie can contain gore, but the director can choose not to have gore in it. It is their product, they call the shots.

When people /report names as offensive merely because they contain words like Ebola and ANet acts on it...the person who /report calls the shots. Anyone here who has 1/2 a brain KNOWS it's a horrible way to die...but holy jumpin frags batman, making light of tragedy is nothing new...It's a coping mechanism no more offensive than the childrens' nursury rhyme "Ring Around the Rosey" which depicts the Black Death that wiped out hundreds of thousands of people in the Dark Ages...so, should the name Black Death or Plague Sender or Pocket O Poseys, therefore be considered offensive? What if some of my ancestors died as a result of the Black Death (and they did) should I report every reference of it because it offends me? Or should I just suck it up....my vote is suck it up. Yes it IS their product. And a T rating says "may" contain blah, blah, blah...does NOT say anything about drugs and alcohol and rewards for their usage...but simulated drunkeness is all part of the game....Any /report from MADD saying it needs an R rating?

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Additionally, I don't actually anything about language in GW's ratings. Might want to actually use the search on the ESRB site.

GW's rating? When did they start rating things? The ESRB rates games on content and I've posted it twice already...did YOU look it up?

EDIT: Sorry, misunderstood the statement...I was talking about ESRB rating in general to get a T rating, not what makes GW rated T...either way, my opinion that Bewbs is not "strong" language stands and that the general T rating should include alcohol and sexy underwear....maybe they would sell more games if they advertised it.

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Ha, thanks for falling for the Focker's reference: The MPAA would not allow the movie to use the title unless they found a family with the name "Focker" [citation].

So? That just supports the supposition that actual names like Focker should be OK because they are real names. I have a collection of over 200 names that are funny/imappropriate if you read too much into them...all real names from the 4 years I worked in the travel industry booking old white folks for cruises to Alaska and Mexico. You want to talk offensive, lets discuss the blatant racism of Liberian registered cruise ships.

EDIT: By the way, your reference says it was also a spelling issue changed back because of continuity of the franchise-money wins! It does, however relate an interesting anecdote wereby Barbara Streisand was nicknamed "Boob" during the shoot.

thedarkmarine · May 26, 2008, 07:55 AM // 07:55

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I see Fcuk signs in the department store...and yes, copyright/trademark infringement is in the EULA. As for the Asp Whole...if we were allowed punctuation and could use a question mark, then no problem, but without punctuation it becomes and understood statement that the implied "you" enjoys venomous snake whole...the only thing I find offensive is the suggestion that I would not clean, dress and saute such a meal in butter...I'm sure it tastes similar to rattlesnake, which I do, in fact, enjoy...but not whole.

So you wouldn't see that as an intentional attempt to sidestep ass hole? I think we found the source of our differences then.

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When people /report names as offensive merely because they contain words like Ebola and ANet acts on it...the person who /report calls the shots. Anyone here who has 1/2 a brain KNOWS it's a horrible way to die...but holy jumpin frags batman, making light of tragedy is nothing new...It's a coping mechanism no more offensive than the childrens' nursury rhyme "Ring Around the Rosey" which depicts the Black Death that wiped out hundreds of thousands of people in the Dark Ages...so, should the name Black Death or Plague Sender or Pocket O Poseys, therefore be considered offensive? What if some of my ancestors died as a result of the Black Death (and they did) should I report every reference of it because it offends me? Or should I just suck it up....my vote is suck it up.

Does it actually offends you though? You're just using something remotely detached to compare, and it's not a fair trial.

See, ebola may be higly sensitive; my officemate had a family member almost die of ebola due to a lab accident. Some experiences are more tramuatizing than others. If my grandmother was raped by the Japanese in Nanjing, you damn will believe that a name like "Pride of Japan" would offend me. ANet chooses to play it safe in this ebola. I can understand that. I may not 100% totally support, but I can understand it.

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Yes it IS their product. And a T rating says "may" contain blah, blah, blah...does NOT say anything about drugs and alcohol and rewards for their usage...but simulated drunkeness is all part of the game....Any /report from MADD saying it needs an R rating?

GW's rating? When did they start rating things? The ESRB rates games on content and I've posted it twice already...did YOU look it up?

GW's ESRB rating dear. It's obvious that you haven't actually looked it up. It's amusing to note that the ESRB explicitly states alcohol as one of the elements in these games.

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So? That just supports the supposition that actual names like Focker should be OK because they are real names. I have a collection of over 200 names that are funny/imappropriate if you read too much into them...all real names from the 4 years I worked in the travel industry booking old white folks for cruises to Alaska and Mexico. You want to talk offensive, lets discuss the blatant racism of Liberian registered cruise ships.

It actually illustrates that not all names are always suitable. The MPAA agrees. If a last name is just a last name, why would Guillotin want to change his name?

Glib · May 26, 2008, 09:16 AM // 09:16

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So you wouldn't see that as an intentional attempt to sidestep ass hole? I think we found the source of our differences then.

Sure it is, but then the words are neither actually ass nor hole...it's purely in your head that there exists similarity in meaning because of similarity in sound. I would never expect ANet to edit either the words thespian or masticate, and yet, because they sound similar to lesbian and masturbate I'm sure it will happen. The sidestepping of profanity/vulgar language happens all the time. Does saying Darn, Dang it,Cheese and Crackers, Fudge, Shoot, or Mother Sucker mean the actual words they are substituting? If they did, the FCC would be all over edited TV run movies. The sidestepping of vulgar language is a means of softening the peaker/writer's intent...It is commonly held as acceptable by most people.

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Does it actually offends you though? You're just using something remotely detached to compare, and it's not a fair trial.

OK...lessee here, a few hundred people dying recently vs. a few hundred thousand a few hundred years ago...hmmmm...OK, I'll buy it isn't a "fair" comparison...but no less detatched than your friend's story...It's not here, not now. I would have a similar reation to Emphasyma, Cancer, Brain Tumor, Lukemia, Systic Fibrosis, Car Wreck, Suicide, Blood Poisoning, Diabetes, Organ Rejection, CMV, Overdose and a number of other means of expiration as your friend might. I lost my brother, uncle, grandfather and a few friends and nearly my wife to this list...but I would never report someone for using them in their toon's name. My wife agrees...and also thinks "Bewbs" is hysterical. Maybe I'm just not hypersensitive about such things and beleive everyone should cater to me over benign words that may spark a bit of negative emotion.

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See, ebola may be higly sensitive; my officemate had a family member almost die of ebola due to a lab accident. Some experiences are more tramuatizing than others. If my grandmother was raped by the Japanese in Nanjing, you damn will believe that a name like "Pride of Japan" would offend me. ANet chooses to play it safe in this ebola. I can understand that. I may not 100% totally support, but I can understand it.

I would categorize it as overly-sensitive. The disease takes out a family member and you are so overwrought by it you report someone...Anyone THAT sensitive to the word should seek counselling and probably not be playing video games where the objectives are usually based on mass killing.

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GW's ESRB rating dear. It's obvious that you haven't actually looked it up. It's amusing to note that the ESRB explicitly states alcohol as one of the elements in these games.

Actually, I misunderstood. I edited my reply above. I was talking in general terms of a T rating, not the reason GW specifically earned its rating. You are right, up until the post, I had only read the ESRB on the box and the general T rating (broad context) from the ESRB site.

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It actually illustrates that not all names are always suitable. The MPAA agrees. If a last name is just a last name, why would Guillotin want to change his name?

He can't, they lopped of his head with it!

Actually, I firmly beleive that a name is a name and no matter its origin, should not be changed because someone else sees it as unsuitable. I had to bite back a laugh when a tsunami hit Phuc...not because of the tragedy, but at the news casters falling all over themselves trying to avoid saying "the F word" which they would not have been doing.

I guess in this case, I have a soft spot in my heart for people getting to keep their names. On Ellis Island, my relatives came from Ireland with the name O'Dowd. It sounded too "Irish" to some asshole (no side stepping my intent here) so the changed it without consent to Dowdy, which means slut. I'm almost thankful for being adopted out of that one.

I know people with outrageous sounding names...including a whole family of Swallows, Lickers (even Richard who goes by Dick) and went to school with a Felicia Oh...I would never ask them to change their name just because someone automatically went to the nasty corners of their mind to get offended and claim them to be unsuitable...I have a whole bunch of Cree, Cherokee and Chawktah family members whos tribal names were obliterated...many now known by Dawson because that's the place they ended up.

The MPAA, by the way, is a notoriously secretive, unreliable institution that does whatever they feel like with little to no actual oversite. I have very little respect for their beliefs and/or opinions, but that is another conversation all together.

Enjoying the debate BTW...always nice to have someone you disagree with willing td do it with civillity.

free_fall · May 26, 2008, 03:24 PM // 15:24

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Originally Posted by bladeturner

After nearly 3 years, my main toon "Jehovahs Waitress" got banned. Apparently some humourless JW finally reported me.

OMG! What a great name!